Comments on: 9/11 again http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/ Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:50:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Pedro Timóteo http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30268 Pedro Timóteo Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:45:28 +0000 http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30268 Jorge: I agree with you, religion is not the only way to be a fanatic. As to extremists, however, I stand by what I said, and I've just written a (I hope) clearer reply <a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/09/11/moderates-and-extremists/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It's not on this blog because it's really offtopic here. Feel free to comment there, if you'd like. Jorge: I agree with you, religion is not the only way to be a fanatic. As to extremists, however, I stand by what I said, and I’ve just written a (I hope) clearer reply here. It’s not on this blog because it’s really offtopic here. Feel free to comment there, if you’d like.

]]> By: Moderates and Extremists at Way of the Mind http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30267 Moderates and Extremists at Way of the Mind Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:38:01 +0000 http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30267 [...] posted by other members of Planet Atheism, so it’s probably not new to readers of this blog), its equivalent on my technology blog did draw a few ones, which inspired me to write this (it’s here because [...] [...] posted by other members of Planet Atheism, so it’s probably not new to readers of this blog), its equivalent on my technology blog did draw a few ones, which inspired me to write this (it’s here because [...]

]]> By: Jorge http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30264 Jorge Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:10:50 +0000 http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30264 "Fanaticism and extremism are not distortions of a faith, they are TRUE faith." That's not true, but that would be a discussion that would take too long. Anyway, you didn't argue against what I think is the most important point: even if you could end with all kinds of religion, you wouldn't end fanatism. It's a mistake to think that. No one can assure that terrorism wouldn't exist if religion didn't exist. Take a look at ETA. It has nothing to do with religion. “Fanaticism and extremism are not distortions of a faith, they are TRUE faith.”
That’s not true, but that would be a discussion that would take too long.
Anyway, you didn’t argue against what I think is the most important point: even if you could end with all kinds of religion, you wouldn’t end fanatism.
It’s a mistake to think that.
No one can assure that terrorism wouldn’t exist if religion didn’t exist. Take a look at ETA. It has nothing to do with religion.

]]> By: Pedro Timóteo http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30263 Pedro Timóteo Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:29:28 +0000 http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30263 Jorge: fanaticism is simply following ALL of some religion, instead of just the "pleasant" parts. It's common to say "oh, the 9/11 hijackers were extremists, Islam isn't like that". Much the opposite: Islam IS like that. The "moderates" are those who ignore more than 50% of the Koran. And Christianity is no better. How many people have you stoned to death because they were gay, disobeyed their parents, ate shellfish, or worked on a saturday? None, I hope. And yet Christianity tells you to do all of those. "Fanaticism" and "extremism" are not <b>distortions</b> of a faith, they are TRUE faith. "Moderation" is nothing more than ignoring the unpleasant parts of a faith. Which pretty much amounts to "making up your own religion"... Jorge: fanaticism is simply following ALL of some religion, instead of just the “pleasant” parts.

It’s common to say “oh, the 9/11 hijackers were extremists, Islam isn’t like that”.

Much the opposite: Islam IS like that. The “moderates” are those who ignore more than 50% of the Koran.

And Christianity is no better. How many people have you stoned to death because they were gay, disobeyed their parents, ate shellfish, or worked on a saturday? None, I hope. And yet Christianity tells you to do all of those.

“Fanaticism” and “extremism” are not distortions of a faith, they are TRUE faith. “Moderation” is nothing more than ignoring the unpleasant parts of a faith. Which pretty much amounts to “making up your own religion”…

]]> By: Jorge http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30262 Jorge Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:47:36 +0000 http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30262 (Sorry for my response in Portuguese. I didn't notice this blog is written in English. Please excuse me) Here's the translation: The problem is not religion. It's fanatism. And it can very well exist without religion... (Sorry for my response in Portuguese. I didn’t notice this blog is written in English. Please excuse me)
Here’s the translation:
The problem is not religion. It’s fanatism. And it can very well exist without religion…

]]> By: Fabio http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30260 Fabio Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:27:48 +0000 http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30260 And the world will live as one And the world will live as one

]]> By: Jorge http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30259 Jorge Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:20:49 +0000 http://www.thetlog.net/2007/09/11/911-again/#comment-30259 O problema não é a religião. É o fanatismo. E este pode muito bem existir sem religião... O problema não é a religião. É o fanatismo. E este pode muito bem existir sem religião…

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